Question Game loading times with M.2 Gen 3 to 4 versus 5 ?

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Hi, I've just built a 9800x3d MSI X870E TH, and wondering what changing from a 4th gen WD SN850x to a high-end 4x 5th gen will do on game loading times? I know everyone keeps saying you won't notice it, but then why are the loading times so much slower on my 3thd gen Samsung 980, and Samsung MZVKV5 drives in a 14700kf build and a 3thd gen Crucial CT1000p in a 5800x3d? both take about 1 minute to load The Last of Us pt1, and the SN850x in the 9800x3d build takes just 3 seconds! it's that fast that the circle timer doesn't even show at all!

And it's not just the newer PC, as I've wiped the CT1000p and installed it into the second 5th-gen slot and moved the games over using Steam, and TLoU p1 is just as slow, and it's not just TLoU pt1 , or pt2, It's SOF, RDR 2, FC6 RE4, and the worst of all is moded FO-TO2W or FO4 in places like downtown Boston, were it takes anywhere from 1 to 2+ minutes to load on the 3thd gen's and around 30-60 seconds on the 4th gen, and only when installed into the X870E/9800x3d build, I also I have put the SN850x in the GA-Z790 board and It's just a tad slower than the X870E board with the same drive, but still much faster than the other 2 drives, and the GA-B450 board it about the same with any of the drives in, and it is not heat as all have heat sinks, and it's also not GPU shaders.

If I've seen massive speed gains moving from 3 to 4th gen, will I see a bit more going to 4x 5th gen? even 5-10 seconds will be a help.

Thanks all.
 
Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

The simple answer is, exactly a you've stated, you won't notice it. Probably a fraction faster than your old drive.

I've just built a 9800x3d MSI X870E TH
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my 3thd gen Samsung 980, and Samsung MZVKV5 drives in a 14700kf build and a 3thd gen Crucial CT1000p in a 5800x3d?
You're not exactly comparing an apple to an apple. That being said, since you brought them up, you'll need to pass on the specs to all 3 builds like so:
CPU:
CPU cooler:
Motherboard:
Ram:
SSD/HDD:
GPU:
PSU:
Chassis:
OS:
Monitor:
include the age of the PSU apart from it's make and model. BIOS version for your motherboard at this moment of time.

If I've seen massive speed gains moving from 3 to 4th gen, will I see a bit more going to 4x 5th gen? even 5-10 seconds will be a help.
There are videos on YT that showcase the difference in game loading times between PCIe3.0, PCIe4.0 and PCIe5.0 drives. Take that with a grain of salt but the difference between them aren't night and day.
 
I did some research on this recently and decided a fast NVME drive wasn't worth the extra money for my use which is gaming. I ended up getting a cheap HMB gen 4 drive a WD SN770 which on paper seemed perfect. However it turned out to be a mistake as I had random blue screen crashing which I tracked down to being a problem with the lastest version of Windows 11 and the SN770.

Windows 11 couldn't manage the HMB for the drive. I ended up finding a thread about it with lots of SN770 drive owners complaining. Sandisk released an updated firmware for the drive to fix the issue, which I thought it had but since updating the drive firmware I have had one crash. The experience has put me off HMB drives though I'm considering getting another drive with a DRAM cache for Windows.
 
Hi, I've just built a 9800x3d MSI X870E TH, and wondering what changing from a 4th gen WD SN850x to a high-end 4x 5th gen will do on game loading times? I know everyone keeps saying you won't notice it, but then why are the loading times so much slower on my 3thd gen Samsung 980, and Samsung MZVKV5 drives in a 14700kf build and a 3thd gen Crucial CT1000p in a 5800x3d? both take about 1 minute to load The Last of Us pt1, and the SN850x in the 9800x3d build takes just 3 seconds! it's that fast that the circle timer doesn't even show at all!

And it's not just the newer PC, as I've wiped the CT1000p and installed it into the second 5th-gen slot and moved the games over using Steam, and TLoU p1 is just as slow, and it's not just TLoU pt1 , or pt2, It's SOF, RDR 2, FC6 RE4, and the worst of all is moded FO-TO2W or FO4 in places like downtown Boston, were it takes anywhere from 1 to 2+ minutes to load on the 3thd gen's and around 30-60 seconds on the 4th gen, and only when installed into the X870E/9800x3d build, I also I have put the SN850x in the GA-Z790 board and It's just a tad slower than the X870E board with the same drive, but still much faster than the other 2 drives, and the GA-B450 board it about the same with any of the drives in, and it is not heat as all have heat sinks, and it's also not GPU shaders.

If I've seen massive speed gains moving from 3 to 4th gen, will I see a bit more going to 4x 5th gen? even 5-10 seconds will be a help.

Thanks all.
Everything else being equal the speed diff between gen 3/4/5 will show when you move large chunks of data.
 
However it turned out to be a mistake as I had random blue screen crashing which I tracked down to being a problem with the lastest version of Windows 11 and the SN770.
That doesn't make getting that drive a mistake. It makes it an unexpected bug in Windows 11 24H2, which was quickly resolved by a firmware update, and something that didn't effect any other brand of drives that use HMB (weirdly). Just because you had another crash doesn't mean it has anything to do with that drive.

SN770 and other DRAM-less drives are very good value for the performance versus cost, and a SATA drive isn't even a better price than a DRAM-less Gen4 NVMe drive of the same brand so get the NVMe drive that will give you a little bit better performance for the same cost.

There are simply diminishing gains from doubling throughput of one component from one generation to the next, and especially during the early days of the new generation. Going from 1GBps to 2GB is a lot but is usable. 2 to 4 is a lot but usable. 4 to 8 is more than enough. 8 to 16, how is the other hardware and software supposed to keep up? 16 to 32, that's just ridiculous. The CPU's ability to feed data doesn't double with each PCIe generation after all, nor does the RAM.

All software doesn't instantly gain any benefit from more throughput as it's just not optimized to take advantage of it. You'll immediately see gains in anything that is a stream of sequential or cached data, but in most applications and games that's only a small amount that was already taking so little time that it doesn't "feel" faster with the next generation. Specific games now can take advantage of DirectStorage, but not many, and they don't have a lot of experience with making it work as well as possible, AND they have to make it work well not just with the very latest PCIe5 but PCIe4 drives and GPUs as well so it may not be as good as it could be if they didn't need "backward compatibility" so to say. Same with PCIe4 vs 5 in a GPU, where you really only see a few percentage points of difference in performance (as long as the number of lanes is the same). The games and the hardware simply can't take advantage of the increased bandwidth in the majority of the work being done, so that benefit is overshadowed by the stuff that still takes just as long as before.

The comparison of various drives in the original post is hard to parse, but it's difficult to compare such wide-ranging types of drives unless every single one is installed in the same board with everything else being the same so that only the drive is being compared (clone the OS and apps and games to each drive and test each one, with only the stuff on the drive that is needed for testing, and with TRIM enabled and being run and time allowed for them to operate, with reboots between each test, etc.). Even with the same testing methods, the different drives have different capabilities besides the generation. Some are TLC, some are QLC. Some have DRAM, some don't. Some have a large pSLC cache, some have a smaller one. Capacities weren't given, but most SSDs have varying performance at different capacity levels within each model. All of those features will affect particular tests/apps in varying ways.

You could test three games with a PCIe2 vs a PCIe3 drive and see two games massively faster and the third just a little. Then those same games in PCIe4 and only one of them gains much of anything because the game code just isn't able to take advantage of the increase in speed. Test with all the drives running at PCIe3 and the one that is capable of PCIe4 will probably perform slightly better because the controller itself is better-optimized, or one of the PCIe3 drives might do better because it's TLC instead of QLC and has DRAM cache (not specifically referring to the drives in the original post, just general comparison).

The only thing you can really say is that IN GENERAL, a newer generation drive will perform better in most circumstances than a previous generation drive in a particular system, but it's impossible to say that it will perform better for any particular user or how much better it will perform. Only testing with known hardware and applications can tell you anything, which is why we read reviews, to know whether a new device might be beneficial to use. But they can't test every configuration and every game and app. We can say that right now, the bump from Gen4 to Gen5 is not as significant as going from Gen3 to Gen4 was. It's going to take longer for apps and games to be able to take advantage of going from 8GBps max to 16GBps max than it did going from 4 to 8 because that's such a HUGE leap, and the other components are continuing to only make incremental gains, so the gap gets wider with each generation. It will be a decade before Gen6 can be truly useful with an SSD unless there is a drastic change in the technology similar to going from mechanical drives to flash and it becomes consumer-level cost quickly. (By that time, NAND flash's endurance level will mean replacing your drive every year.)
 
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Diminishing returns.

Doubling the speed each time, gets us little user facing difference after a certain point.

10 sec -> 5 sec. Absolutely.
2 sec -> 1 sec. Still visible.
0.2 sec -> 0.1 sec. Dunno,,,,maybe it was faster.
0.1 sec -> 0.05 sec. Only noticeable in artificial benchmarks.


I had a member try to tell me that if you go from SATA III SSD to PCIe 4.0 SSD, boot time will be 10x faster.
For instance...30 sec to 3 sec.
Because..."simple math".

And he would not be dissuaded from that mindset.
 
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Thanks all for the replies, and Evermorex76, you made some good points, as I've not looked into things like if TRIM was enabled, but will do it later today, Is there is any other settings to check?

I make it simple, motherboard is a new MSI x870e Tomahawk wifi, with 9800x3d 32gb of 6000, ram, 9070 etc, and in MVMe slot-1 is a new 1tb sn850x drive with the OS, Windows 11 IOT, and some apps like Steam, all freshly installed about a week or so ago, all of this is new, along with the 2tb sn850x drive.

MVMe slot 2, with a new 2tb sn850x drive and only a Steam game folder with a few games installed.
And for this example I use the game I first noticed the loading times being so different on. The Last of Us pt1, with the memory training finished.

When loading from slot 2, 2tb sn850x from the in-game menu into the game takes around 2-3 seconds, the circle timer doesn't even have time to show as it loads instantly.

Now if I remove the said 2tb sn850x from slot 2, then replace it with any one of my MVMe gen 3 drives (quick formatted) and copy the Steam games folder onto them, (from the 2tb sn850x placed in MVMe slot 3) and then launch the same game from the in-game menu the game (TLoU pt1) will take around 50-60 seconds to load into the game, and you can watch the circle timer slowly spin as its loading. This is the same with other games too.

Both of the 2 Samsungs are 500gb and around 4-5 years old, and the Samsung MZVKV5 loads a bit faster than the other Samsung, the Crucial ct1000p3 is only 6 months old, with little usage.

I've tested the Samsung and Crucial drive speeds with Crystal disk and all have normal speeds, and transferring the Steam game folder from drive to drive works correctly, but still loading games the 4th gen sn850x 2tb is about 20x faster loading games with long loading times, and I can't work out why, the only thing I can see apart from the generations and size/age of the drives is that the sn850x's have a dram cache, and when moving the games from gen 3 to the gen 4 drives, the gen 4 is only using 25-35% where the gen 3 drive is at 95-100% according to task manager, but I recheck this when I speed test them all.

What should I look out for? I bench them all later today, and post speeds/health/total usage counts etc, but I can't see this being the problem...

Sorry for any bad grammar, I'm dyslexic, so have to check the spellings on my phone, which takes me hours.
 
What are the capacities on the Samsung and Crucial drives? And the full model of the "Samsung MZVKV5" (that's an incomplete model number; I think that may be a 512GB SM961). The Crucial drive is QLC, which means the pSLC cache size is relatively small, and native and folding speeds are atrocious, although that shouldn't affect read speeds and performance when loading games. Samsung just puts an artificial limit on their pSLC caches, but native and folding speed with the TLC isn't terrible. All 3 drives have about the same read speed ratings, but the P3 and the SM961 have pretty poor max write speeds. The SM961 is so old it's actually using MLC flash. It's ANCIENT, but MLC made it very high performance for its time, and running out of pSLC cache has less of an effect on it.

How big is your Steam games folder? Are you performing the tests immediately afterward or waiting a while? If you are writing a huge amount of data to those drives, you may be exceeding the pSLC cache sizes, and then read performance may be affected if the drive is working on folding data to the native flash at the same time. I can't really imagine any other reason for such huge performance differences between the generations.

You also need to verify that TRIM runs after you perform the quick format, and give it some idle time to ensure the SSD has been able to complete the process. On some drives it may be nearly instantaneous, while other drives may need time. To run it you just need to open the Windows defragmentation dialog, make sure all drives are selected, and click Optimize. Windows will only take a few seconds to say it's complete, but that is only how long it takes to send the commands to the drive. It doesn't mean the physical process is complete, and there is no way to tell whether the drive has finished. Waiting half an hour ought to be enough but overnight would guarantee it.

Checking the health and SMART stats of the drives may be useful, although even if those really old drives are low the Crucial P3 should be fine. From what I've read, DRAM cache doesn't really make any difference in loading of games so that shouldn't be the issue, and even if the games did make use of the doubled throughput when reading data, that shouldn't account for 20x differences in load times.

When you say the drives are using 25% to 35% or 95 to 100, do you mean the utilization in Windows Task Manager? If loading of the games has some other limit, such as how fast the CPU/RAM can process the data or transfer things to the GPU, then the Gen4 drive would just be idle more often. (The utilization percentage is the controller's processing activity, not the data throughput.) If the system can process say 4GBps worth of game data, then that would make the controllers on the Gen3 drives active 100% of the time feeding data at their maximum rated speed, but the Gen4 drive (designed for higher bus speed and a higher-class chip) has more than enough processing power for that amount of data.

Just to be sure, does Crystal DiskInfo confirm the drives are running with x4 connections?
 
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I'm home and will do some testing this morning, it's 1 am here and I just woke up :)
The 25%-35% was on a 4 gen, and 95%-100% on a 3 gen utilization when moving a 200GB games file from drive to drive, I'm going to look up TRIM and defragmentation etc, and then I will get back here with my findings,
I'm new to Windows 11, so I can't find anything, Only been using it for just 1 week, and 11 IoT may be a bit different...

One other thing I did was put the same Steam game folder on a Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB, and TLoU pt1 seems to load around the same time as the gen 3 drives do, maybe a tiny bit slower, but I never timed it, the 860 QVO is an OS drive out of my laptop, so not a clean drive, and with 400GB free.
 
Just open the start menu and type defrag. (Note that you are not actually defragmenting and that should not be done on an SSD. Windows knows the difference between an SSD and HDD, and the Optimize button does the appropriate task for each.)

If the QVO had any performance losses due to not being "clean" it should have performed even worse than the Gen3 drives, unless those Gen3 drives truly have not been getting TRIMed properly and thus have the worst performance they can give. But you said benchmarks appear to be good, and if it was only 200GB being written then that shouldn't have been a cause for any performance issues (unless those were in fact small Gen3 drives).

Formatting SHOULD have actually been issuing the TRIM command, though, even a quick format. A full format shouldn't be done on an SSD. The OS knows that you want to erase all the sectors, so a quick format resets the filesystem to show that they're empty even when they're not physically zeroed out, and then the OS uses TRIM to tell the SSD that all those sectors have been deleted, which then allows the drive to perform the physical erasure at its convenience whenever there is idle time.
 
Yes in Task Manager.

WD_BLACK SN850X 2000GB
Samsung MZVKV512HADH-000L1 (500GB)
CT1000P3SSD8 (1TB)

TRIM = 0
TRIM = 0
Is that only reading 2 drives?

CystalDiskInfo SN850X 2TB PCIe 4.0 x4. Health 100%. CD/Mark (1GB) Q8T1 Read 7592 Write 6699. Q1T1 Write 84.36 Read 289.13
MZVKV512HAJH PCIe 3.0 x2. Health 96%. CD/M Q8T1 Read 1682 Write 1095. Q1T1 Read 55.84 Write 183.67
CT1000P3SSD8 PCIe 3.0 x2. Health 97% CD/M Q8T1 Read 1638 Write 1706. Q1T1 Read 64.76 Write 107.96

I can't find defragmentation or use cmd, as W key + X, all come up with "Windows cannot find" etc and in RED "this app can't run on your PC" To check TRIM I had to use PowerShell. I have googled this problem, and did the steps to reinstall CMD/terminal, by "uninstall windows terminal through settings" etc and downloading windows terminal, but it doesn't work, and I see many others are having the same problem. PS: This is a clean Windows 11 IoT download from Microsoft website, on a newly built PC, only the older drives are used, and all say good health.
Also, CMD is missing from START, only PowerShell (Admin) So I really can't see how I can find Defag?
 
Typing Defrag in start shows the proper app, but I get the error message "Windows cannot find" Windows\servicing\LCU\package_RollupFix~31bf385gad364e35 ~ amd64...\defag.exe'

It looks like I need to reinstall the OS again?

The when I close that masage I get a large purple popup saying "This app can't run on your PC. To find a version for your PC, Check with the software publisher"
 
I don't know about the missing/broken apps. Possibly this is due to using the IoT version. Is there a reason you're not just using the standard version given that you're on supported hardware?

Windows first changed to the context menu showing PowerShell (Admin) instead of Command Prompt (Admin) by default (but you could change it back), and then when Terminal came out the default became Terminal (Admin). Terminal is not in and of itself the "command line processor" that is being run when click it. Terminal is a console within which either PowerShell or Command Prompt can run. By default it's PowerShell on startup but you can change it to Command Prompt in the settings within Terminal, or just open a new Command Prompt tab. (God I hate tabs and I dread the day they decide they don't need to provide an option to turn them off in basic utilities like this.)

Win-X is not the Start menu by the way, it's the context menu for the Start menu, the "power user menu", or Quick Link menu as Microsoft calls it.

TRIM = 0
TRIM = 0
Where is this shown? Without knowing where you got that output I don't know why it would show only two. I can't find any pages that refer to TRIM = 0.

The Samsung MZVKV512HADH isn't found in any search. They seem to have used "MZVKV512" for multiple models, like the 950, 951 and 961 so those last few characters are important. Does it look like an OEM drive or retail? Is there anything like PM950 or the like on the label? It MIGHT be an SM951, or a version of the 950 Pro. Either way, anything from that time period has pretty low performance. Their max rated speeds are just barely over 2GBps, PCIe2x4 even though they're Gen3. Even if performing perfectly I wouldn't be surprised to see a noticeable difference between this drive and a Gen4 drive, though 20x is still far larger a difference than should be expected. The IOPS are also not particularly high for that drive, which would have a bigger effect on the performance than the throughput, and THAT could be the issue. The Crucial P3 has no listed rating for IOPS, so I would bet that it's particularly low as well. (The 2TB isn't terrible but not great, and the 1TB would be lower.)

Notice in DiskInfo that both your Gen3 drives are running at x2, only lanes instead of 4. You're automatically being limited to 2GBps even with the faster P3 model. So the question is why that's happening. You say you're testing with all 3 drives in the second slot of the board, M2_2, right? The reason I asked about the lanes was this from the specs of the board:
**USB 40Gbps Type-C ports on the back panel and M2_2 slot share PCIe 5.0 x4 bandwidth. Both run at PCIe 5.0 x2 when a device is installed in the M2_2 slot. You can switch M2_2 to PCIe 5.0 x4 in the BIOS, but this will disable the USB 40Gbps Type-C ports. The USB4 host controller supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4.

I wondered if you had anything plugged into the USB 40Gbps port, but that would affect both the SN850x and the other two drives if they all connected in M2_2. You are referring to the slot that is immediately under the top PCI slot, right?

So the root of the problem seems to be that your Gen3 drives aren't running at their full speed, although their low IOPS capability also may be contributing. The WD drive is getting 4.5 times the sequential throughput, and 1.5 the random performance, and higher IOPS than the other drives even if they were running at peak. It has 4 times the read IOPS and more than 9 times the write IOPS of the Samsung, and probably double the P3's. The only indication I can find for this board that would make a slot run at x2 is the note above. Every other slot will run at x4 all the time. Physical damage on those old drives could explain it.

Try plugging them into the other two slots. There's no particular reason not to use them in those since there's plenty of bandwidth upstream. Then see if DiskInfo shows them running at x2 or x4.
 
I don't know about the missing/broken apps. Possibly this is due to using the IoT version. Is there a reason you're not just using the standard version given that you're on supported hardware?

Windows first changed to the context menu showing PowerShell (Admin) instead of Command Prompt (Admin) by default (but you could change it back), and then when Terminal came out the default became Terminal (Admin). Terminal is not in and of itself the "command line processor" that is being run when click it. Terminal is a console within which either PowerShell or Command Prompt can run. By default it's PowerShell on startup but you can change it to Command Prompt in the settings within Terminal, or just open a new Command Prompt tab. (God I hate tabs and I dread the day they decide they don't need to provide an option to turn them off in basic utilities like this.)

Win-X is not the Start menu by the way, it's the context menu for the Start menu, the "power user menu", or Quick Link menu as Microsoft calls it.


Where is this shown? Without knowing where you got that output I don't know why it would show only two. I can't find any pages that refer to TRIM = 0.

The Samsung MZVKV512HADH isn't found in any search. They seem to have used "MZVKV512" for multiple models, like the 950, 951 and 961 so those last few characters are important. Does it look like an OEM drive or retail? Is there anything like PM950 or the like on the label? It MIGHT be an SM951, or a version of the 950 Pro. Either way, anything from that time period has pretty low performance. Their max rated speeds are just barely over 2GBps, PCIe2x4 even though they're Gen3. Even if performing perfectly I wouldn't be surprised to see a noticeable difference between this drive and a Gen4 drive, though 20x is still far larger a difference than should be expected. The IOPS are also not particularly high for that drive, which would have a bigger effect on the performance than the throughput, and THAT could be the issue. The Crucial P3 has no listed rating for IOPS, so I would bet that it's particularly low as well. (The 2TB isn't terrible but not great, and the 1TB would be lower.)

Notice in DiskInfo that both your Gen3 drives are running at x2, only lanes instead of 4. You're automatically being limited to 2GBps even with the faster P3 model. So the question is why that's happening. You say you're testing with all 3 drives in the second slot of the board, M2_2, right? The reason I asked about the lanes was this from the specs of the board:


I wondered if you had anything plugged into the USB 40Gbps port, but that would affect both the SN850x and the other two drives if they all connected in M2_2. You are referring to the slot that is immediately under the top PCI slot, right?

So the root of the problem seems to be that your Gen3 drives aren't running at their full speed, although their low IOPS capability also may be contributing. The WD drive is getting 4.5 times the sequential throughput, and 1.5 the random performance, and higher IOPS than the other drives even if they were running at peak. It has 4 times the read IOPS and more than 9 times the write IOPS of the Samsung, and probably double the P3's. The only indication I can find for this board that would make a slot run at x2 is the note above. Every other slot will run at x4 all the time. Physical damage on those old drives could explain it.

Try plugging them into the other two slots. There's no particular reason not to use them in those since there's plenty of bandwidth upstream. Then see if DiskInfo shows them running at x2 or x4.
Thank you for so much help, and for explaining how it works too. The reason why I changed to W11 IoT from normal W11, was the game X4 dropped FPS and became unplayable, whereas it was fine on W10 and now ok on W11 IoT.

Trime = 0 comes from putting "fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify" in PowerShell.
Like in the link, and 0 means it's working. I'm not using any USB C, or USB 4, I'm only using 1 USB 2 for the keyboard/mouse, and yes that Samsung MZVKV512HADH I got used, I think it came out of an old laptop, back when I couldn't afford to buy a new MVMe drive.

Well, I have good news It's now much much better, but I don't know what exactly fixed it...
First in the bios all the M.2's were set to gen-5, so I set them to auto, ASPM-PCIe was on L1, I set it to auto, PCI_E1 Gen Switch was on Gen 5, now set to auto, USB4/M.2 Switch is back to auto from M.2_2-x2 (could this be part of it?)

I think one of the things like "Game Boost, or NPU AI Boost" may have changed everything to Gen 5, as they were on.

But then I opened MSI Center and found many drivers out of date and the PCIe-M.2 drivers and 3 NVM express drivers were missing! I can't believe I never checked them, as it installed them automatically when Windows first booted,
Then Windows update asked If I wanted it to check for drivers which I clicked yes and it found 4 more,
Now both gen 3 drives are running at x4!! , and faster in CrystalDisk, where the MZVK is now R 2510 W 1500 in Q8T1, But the CT1000P3 is about the same.

And the main thing is when starting TLoU on the NZVK drive (only one I've tested) it's about the same as 4th gen drive, maybe 1-2 seconds slower at most.

So I don't know for sure what fixed it, but I will be going back into the bios and changing them one at a time, and I don't understand why the bios was setup like it was, as I never changed anything apart from the memory to XBOW and to the correct ram stick voltage as it never changed when turning on XBOW, and the PC wouldn't start without setting it to 1.35v.

I still have a missing driver showing in Device Manager, saying "unknown device" but I can't find what it is, I may find one of them driver scanner programs, just to see if it finds one... But for now, I keep testing, and thanks again for sticking with me :)

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