Question Ryzen 9800X3D idle & gaming temps ?

[naczelnik5]

In cpu demanding games those cpu should have about 80w power draw

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Try updating your BIOS and chipset drivers to the latest versions. Check if you have any power saving features enabled in Windows (power plan). If you have the latest BIOS, reset to factory settings and enable only EXPO without a curve and with PBO disabled

Thanks. Chipset + bios are up-to-date. Tried with windows power plan on both ultimate and high performance, no change. Reset bios to default already as well, no curve, and PBO is on 'motherboard'. Will disable PBO and test again.

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Thanks. Chipset + bios are up-to-date. Tried with windows power plan on both ultimate and high performance, no change. Reset bios to default already as well, no curve, and PBO is on 'motherboard'. Will disable PBO and test again.

No change. Cyberpunk still pulling 33-40w at most. PBO is disabled, CO disabled, power plan set to ultimate performance... I did notice playing BF2042 pulled 60-70w. Strange. Every test video i've seen on cyberpunk pulls 70+w easy.

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

No change. Cyberpunk still pulling 33-40w at most. PBO is disabled, CO disabled, power plan set to ultimate performance... I did notice playing BF2042 pulled 60-70w. Strange. Every test video i've seen on cyberpunk pulls 70+w easy.

Strange. Ryzen master showing a lower peak mhz clock for CPU than task manager, and power draw is super low 30w's. This is all during cyberpunk mind you.

Master + task manager

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Strange. Ryzen master showing a lower peak mhz clock for CPU than task manager, and power draw is super low 30w's. This is all during cyberpunk mind you.

Master + task manager

More results during the cyberpunk benchmark -

Ryzen master + task manager
Cyberpunk bench results

Still really low power-draw...

Cyberpunk still pulling 33-40w at most. PBO is disabled, CO disabled, power plan set to ultimate performance... I did notice playing BF2042 pulled 60-70w. Strange. Every test video i've seen on cyberpunk pulls 70+w easy.

 

[naczelnik5]

More results during the cyberpunk benchmark -

Ryzen master + task manager
Cyberpunk bench results

Still really low power-draw...

Cyberpunk still pulling 33-40w at most. PBO is disabled, CO disabled, power plan set to ultimate performance... I did notice playing BF2042 pulled 60-70w. Strange. Every test video i've seen on cyberpunk pulls 70+w easy.

Hmm in task manager looks like everythings is ok . In Ryzen Master cpu clock is weird low. Hmm i dont use Ryzen Master but i see that you have EXPO and Multithreading off in RM. Try set to on . If doesnt work try uninstall ryzen master and then check cpu utilisation , cpu frequency and power in hwinfo during gaming

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Hmm in task manager looks like everythings is ok . In Ryzen Master cpu clock is weird low. Hmm i dont use Ryzen Master but i see that you have EXPO and Multithreading off in RM. Try set to on . If doesnt work try uninstall ryzen master and then check cpu utilisation , cpu frequency and power in hwinfo during gaming

Where do you see multithreading is off in ryzen. And yeah, expo got reset after i wiped bios settings.

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Where do you see multithreading is off in ryzen. And yeah, expo got reset after i wiped bios settings.

Simultaneous multithreading? This is now on, with expo, still really low power draw @ 30w running CP maxed out @ 2k res. So strange. No idea what's going on but I know I'm not pushing the cpu 100%, leaving a ton of performance on the table.

 

[Aeacus]

MoBo make and model is?

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

MoBo make and model is?

MSI Pro B650-P WIFI. Ryzen master uninstalled, still drawing 29-30w running cyberpunk..

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

MSI Pro B650-P WIFI. Ryzen master uninstalled, still drawing 29-30w running cyberpunk..

CPU temps also still incredibly low as well. 30w power draw, temps at 48-49c. Something ain't right lol.

 

[Aeacus]

MSI Pro B650-P WIFI.

I was thinking that maybe, your MoBo has lack of VRM phases but yours is about average. 🤔 12 main VRM phases rated 75A (namely 12+2+1).
MoBo specs: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B650-P-WIFI

Though, given that the least amount of main VRM phases you can get on B650 is 6 phase (rated 60A) and most would be 24 phase VRM rated 105A (AsRock B650E Taichi Lite), it may come down to your MoBo VRMs.

Here's a nice Q&A about VRMs: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/vrm/

The less VRM phases there are - the more unstable voltage the CPU gets from the MoBo, and the more VRMs heat up (especially when you pair powerhouse of a CPU to that MoBo). And once VRM essentially overheats, you will be leaving CPU performance on the table.

E.g B650 MoBo roundup: https://www.techspot.com/review/2861-amd-b650-motherboards-part-3/

Sadly, doesn't have the very same MoBo as you do, but does have few close ones, like MSI B650-S, B650M-B, B650M-P.

I, personally, would not pair high-end CPU with mediocre amount of VRMs.
Your 12 main VRM phases rated at 75A would be enough for R5 9600X or so. But it may fall short for R7 9800X3D.

The current MoBo i'm running, MSI Z170A Gaming M5, also has 12 main VRM phases, but my MoBo is from 2016 and runs i5-6600K.
Though, i do plan upgrading my build as well and current plan is to go with R7 9800X3D, whereby i'll be pairing it with X870E chipset MoBo, with 20+2+1 VRM phases rated at 110A. High-end CPU with high-end MoBo is a good combo.

 

[naczelnik5]

MSI Pro B650-P WIFI. Ryzen master uninstalled, still drawing 29-30w running cyberpunk..

My ideas and knowledge unfortunately end here. It is possible that, as the previous speaker wrote, the fault lies with the motherboard. Question: you wrote earlier that you also had another CPU. What was the reason for replacing the previous 9800x3d?

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

I was thinking that maybe, your MoBo has lack of VRM phases but yours is about average. 🤔 12 main VRM phases rated 75A (namely 12+2+1).
MoBo specs: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B650-P-WIFI

Though, given that the least amount of main VRM phases you can get on B650 is 6 phase (rated 60A) and most would be 24 phase VRM rated 105A (AsRock B650E Taichi Lite), it may come down to your MoBo VRMs.

Here's a nice Q&A about VRMs: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/vrm/

The less VRM phases there are - the more unstable voltage the CPU gets from the MoBo, and the more VRMs heat up (especially when you pair powerhouse of a CPU to that MoBo). And once VRM essentially overheats, you will be leaving CPU performance on the table.

E.g B650 MoBo roundup: https://www.techspot.com/review/2861-amd-b650-motherboards-part-3/

Sadly, doesn't have the very same MoBo as you do, but does have few close ones, like MSI B650-S, B650M-B, B650M-P.

I, personally, would not pair high-end CPU with mediocre amount of VRMs.
Your 12 main VRM phases rated at 75A would be enough for R5 9600X or so. But it may fall short for R7 9800X3D.

The current MoBo i'm running, MSI Z170A Gaming M5, also has 12 main VRM phases, but my MoBo is from 2016 and runs i5-6600K.
Though, i do plan upgrading my build as well and current plan is to go with R7 9800X3D, whereby i'll be pairing it with X870E chipset MoBo, with 20+2+1 VRM phases rated at 110A. High-end CPU with high-end MoBo is a good combo.

This makes sense, but this is a prebuilt from microcenter - you'd think they'd pair the CPU with something capable. Also an item of note, running BF2042 the CPU does draw 60-70+w's, so I'm not sure what the deal is with cyberpunk, but I know it should also be pulling upwards of 60. I've also noticed my idle desktop power-draw is 5w or less, which is also strange, as the chip should be pulling 15-30w.

 

[Aeacus]

Also an item of note, running BF2042 the CPU does draw 60-70+w's, so I'm not sure what the deal is with cyberpunk

Could be game issue as well. Cyberpunk has had bumpy track record. Then again, when gameplay is fine with good FPS, there's no actual need to worry about CPU power consumption.

But if you want to investigate further, run HWinfo64 in sensors mode (link: https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ )
And look what value Power Reporting Deviation has (under CPU telemetry) when you're running Cyberpunk. Ideally it should be 100% or close to it. But it can be as low as 50%-75%.
You can run Cinebench as well and look what value you're getting then (should be same value as with gaming).

Once you have your data, i can explain what this metric is and when it is below 100%, what impact it has for your system (CPU).

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

My ideas and knowledge unfortunately end here. It is possible that, as the previous speaker wrote, the fault lies with the motherboard. Question: you wrote earlier that you also had another CPU. What was the reason for replacing the previous 9800x3d?

The previous 9800x3d was in a previous build that had Issues with coil whine on the PSU and GPU (unbearable), after swapping out different parts, it turned out to be on the mobo as well, so I just returned the entire thing and picked up a pre-built Instead.

Could be game issue as well. Cyberpunk has had bumpy track record. Then again, when gameplay is fine with good FPS, there's no actual need to worry about CPU power consumption.

But if you want to investigate further, run HWinfo64 in sensors mode (link: https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ )
And look what value Power Reporting Deviation has (under CPU telemetry) when you're running Cyberpunk. Ideally it should be 100% or close to it. But it can be as low as 50%-75%.
You can run Cinebench as well and look what value you're getting then (should be same value as with gaming).

Once you have your data, i can explain what this metric is and when it is below 100%, what impact it has for your system (CPU).

thank you. I will test tonight and report back. Also now realizing I’ve only ever installed the chipset driver through adrenaline, not realizing it’s not the same driver for the cpu so I need to get the chipset driver through the amd site, possibly remove the other igpu chipset driver I installed through adrenaline via DDU or revo. Will test that first to see if it helps.

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Could be game issue as well. Cyberpunk has had bumpy track record. Then again, when gameplay is fine with good FPS, there's no actual need to worry about CPU power consumption.

But if you want to investigate further, run HWinfo64 in sensors mode (link: https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ )
And look what value Power Reporting Deviation has (under CPU telemetry) when you're running Cyberpunk. Ideally it should be 100% or close to it. But it can be as low as 50%-75%.
You can run Cinebench as well and look what value you're getting then (should be same value as with gaming).

Once you have your data, i can explain what this metric is and when it is below 100%, what impact it has for your system (CPU).

Looking way better after actually installing the AMD chipset drivers and getting AMD PPM provisioning file driver and AMD 3D V-cache performance optimizer driver installer along with all the other chipset stuff.

HWinfo during cinabench R23
Adrenaline stats during R23 bench

Finally pushing close to the 120TDP limit and temps are looking way more accurate. Cyberpunk bench was close to, and at times over 60w.

Should I go back into bios and start testing/playing with negative curves again? Also, I read that it is recommended to keep the power plan @ balanced for this particular chip, is that true, or is it better to push it towards high/ultimate performance? How about PBO, off, auto or mobo? all results were under balanced power plan.

Lastly, should I remove (DDU) the iGPU chip driver that I downloaded through Adrenaline, also read that it's best to not even bother installing.

Thank you!!!

Edit: Idle/desktop power consumption still seems kind of low @ about 2-5w's. Same deal under balanced, high, or ultimate power plans. Was under the impression that the idle draw should be between 20-30w. Mind you, this is now on a -20 curve.

Idle/desktop power consumption

 

[Aeacus]

Looking way better after actually installing the AMD chipset drivers and getting AMD PPM provisioning file driver and AMD 3D V-cache performance optimizer driver installer along with all the other chipset stuff.

HWinfo during cinabench R23
Adrenaline stats during R23 bench

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Finally pushing close to the 120TDP limit and temps are looking way more accurate. Cyberpunk bench was close to, and at times over 60w.

On average, with stock settings, your chip may push ~155W. On gaming loads, ~65W.

Power consumption: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/23.html

Should I go back into bios and start testing/playing with negative curves again? Also, I read that it is recommended to keep the power plan @ balanced for this particular chip, is that true, or is it better to push it towards high/ultimate performance? How about PBO, off, auto or mobo? all results were under balanced power plan.

Here's nice Q&A about underclocking: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/underclock/

In a nutshell - underclocking = less power consumption, less heat generation (in turn, less noise from CPU cooler), but also reduces CPU performance.

In gaming, this means less FPS, since you're essentially restricting CPU's max performance. Same with GPU underclock.

As far as PBO goes, here's in-depth video describing what PB, PBO and AutoOC are;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NzNi1xX_4

Lastly, should I remove (DDU) the iGPU chip driver that I downloaded through Adrenaline, also read that it's best to not even bother installing.

I'd keep them. Since when your dedicated GPU should die, PC would default over to iGPU. With iGPU drivers already present, the screen reso would remain same. But without iGPU drivers, you may look at 800x600 reso due to default Win display drivers.

Edit: Idle/desktop power consumption still seems kind of low @ about 2-5w's.

Again with the idle. 😒

Idle temps doesn't matter. Idle power consumption doesn't matter.

I'm half-expecting you start talking about PC's power consumption during sleep or hibernation and CPU sleep states (C6, C7, C8). 🙄

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

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On average, with stock settings, your chip may push ~155W. On gaming loads, ~65W.

Power consumption: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/23.html


Here's nice Q&A about underclocking: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/glossary/underclock/

In a nutshell - underclocking = less power consumption, less heat generation (in turn, less noise from CPU cooler), but also reduces CPU performance.

In gaming, this means less FPS, since you're essentially restricting CPU's max performance. Same with GPU underclock.

As far as PBO goes, here's in-depth video describing what PB, PBO and AutoOC are;

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NzNi1xX_4



I'd keep them. Since when your dedicated GPU should die, PC would default over to iGPU. With iGPU drivers already present, the screen reso would remain same. But without iGPU drivers, you may look at 800x600 reso due to default Win display drivers.


Again with the idle. 😒

Idle temps doesn't matter. Idle power consumption doesn't matter.

I'm half-expecting you start talking about PC's power consumption during sleep or hibernation and CPU sleep states (C6, C7, C8). 🙄

So, I shouldn't worry about idle being at 3-7w instead of 25-30?

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

I dunno boys, cyberpunk bench still won't surpass 39w draw at best. Watched a million videos with the same chip pulling 70w+ in the cyberpunk benchmark. Don't know what to do anymore. Might go return this prebuilt, get another 9800x3d + 9070xt prebuilt or get one with a 5070ti Instead. This is disappointing because I am certain I am missing a good bit of performance here and I'd like to get my money's worth.

Opinions?

At this point, I've tried everything I could find, plus everything you fine folks have suggested (thank you again for your time and advice btw).

 

[naczelnik5]

I dunno boys, cyberpunk bench still won't surpass 39w draw at best. Watched a million videos with the same chip pulling 70w+ in the cyberpunk benchmark. Don't know what to do anymore. Might go return this prebuilt, get another 9800x3d + 9070xt prebuilt or get one with a 5070ti Instead. This is disappointing because I am certain I am missing a good bit of performance here and I'd like to get my money's worth.

Opinions?

At this point, I've tried everything I could find, plus everything you fine folks have suggested (thank you again for your time and advice btw).

The key is whether you really lose performance. Do you notice any problems with the computer's operation? In games? FPS drops? Micro stutters? How many FPS do you have in the Cyberpunk benchmark? There is also an option to test the processor in 3d Mark Timpe Spy and in the OCCT program in the Power test. Run these 2 tests and show the result

 

[Aeacus]

This is disappointing because I am certain I am missing a good bit of performance here and I'd like to get my money's worth.

As said by naczelnik5, bench your system some more and compare the results with other similar builds.

To add to the list above: Unigine Superposition.
Sure, it's GPU bench but CPU plays a role in it as well.

So, when your build performs similar to others (with the margin of error), i see no reason why to return the build. Since for Cyberpunk, it can be game issue as well.

 

[ItzEcliptikz]

Thank you both. I already went ahead and wiped it and packed it up last night. Will swap for a 9800x3d + 5070 Ti build instead of the 9070xt for better upscaling (when needed) and ray tracing. Will run some benches tonight or tomorrow and I will definitely follow up. Thanks again! You guys have been very helpful.